Muradin lives? Could it be?
It’s a miracle! …or too much Dwarven ale.
(Guess the forums on WoW will freak out when someone sees this and posts it)
# 30 June 2008 at 7:08 am
WoTLKKing said:
Muradin doesn’t die? Will this affect the lore? Is he REALLY alive? Hmm, on top of this, Muradin doesn’t remember who he is, wait a second. They never confirmed Muradin WAS killed when the ice block hit Muradin, so this is probably real!! Muradin Bronzebeard lives!!! lol
# 30 June 2008 at 9:04 am
ZekeTheSquirrel said:
I’ve found the sound files for this encounter within the Litch King install. They are the same files from WC3:FT, with the same names even.
# 30 June 2008 at 9:23 am
Joshmaul said:
What. The. FUCK.
I’ve heard of retcons, but this is fucking RIDICULOUS.
# 30 June 2008 at 9:39 am
Virusz said:
So he has been in coma for…how much years?
Or a Titan ressurected him for something…
Hooray Muradin!
# 30 June 2008 at 9:45 am
WoTLKKing said:
Crazy!!
# 30 June 2008 at 9:52 am
Radenska said:
O
M
G.
SEND THE MESSENGER PIGEON TO IRONFORGE!
# 30 June 2008 at 10:01 am
Loomineel said:
Gief Muradin!
# 30 June 2008 at 10:07 am
Ashthenta said:
I could see it transpire like this, if the price Arthas had to pay was instead something in himself, rather than killing Muradin. However I don’t exactly remember that passage 100%. Also I think we need to see the whole thing rather than these pictures pieced together.
# 30 June 2008 at 10:21 am
Jien said:
Hmmm….intresting….where did this happen exactly? Caverns of time? but if its Caverns of time will there be more dungeon except the culling of stratholme? like the battle with Mel`ganis where arthas found frostmourne? where do you see that encounter in short O.o!?!
# 30 June 2008 at 11:44 am
Lamnent said:
This isn’t exactly a retcon… Spider-Man much? DAMN YOU QUESADA!!
Anyway, it’s not like he’s in a coma, it looks like he woke up with amnesia right after Arthas left the Cave, I think it’s a cool idea, it’s just too bad it’s most likely going to be an Alliance only thing.
Now I want to kill him.
# 30 June 2008 at 12:10 pm
WoTLK King said:
Oh I get it, he had to pay any price if only to save his people, that wasn’t in killing Muradin, that was to make Arthas the Lich King, and the people will soon be saved and probably have a better life being smarter and stuff and that’s saving them (as well as preparing them to fight the other enemies that they need to fight (i.e. Kil’Jaeden)
Maybe? /shrug
# 30 June 2008 at 12:58 pm
WoTLK King said:
Hmm, and also (sorry for double post) Muradin as well as Varian Wrynn (Lost King of Stormwind) have amnesia, what’s Muradin going to turn into, because with amnesia, either you bring him with you, or he become part of the Scourge, Vrykul, or anything else. 0.0 No wonder Blizz hates leaks, ruins the surprise, o well lol.
# 30 June 2008 at 1:01 pm
Jien said:
according to WC3 Arthas sacrefised Muradin so that he may take frostmourne. the fact that the power rends the soul of the user is just a side effect of using the sword. somehow Muradin survived with amnesia. we dont know why, we may know why later on that quest… and to be honest Arthas didnt save any of he’s people. when he became Deathknight he just helped to butcher them. starting with he’s own father and king of he’s “beloved” people. I dont think he made them smarter and read to Kil’Jeaden :\. Though if blizzard wont let horde participate in Muradin quest ill be very disapointed. this is vital lore point to warcraft and all that’ll be in the future. Since horde doesnt really have any lore in Northerend (not a very importent one like that anyway) it will be so unfair.
# 30 June 2008 at 1:47 pm
futhark said:
Where’s the forum post for this?
“Though if blizzard wont let horde participate in Muradin quest ill be very disapointed. this is vital lore point to warcraft and all that’ll be in the future. Since horde doesnt really have any lore in Northerend (not a very importent one like that anyway) it will be so unfair.”
Maybe this is payback for the Thrall-coming-home quest?
# 30 June 2008 at 1:50 pm
Jorand said:
“Maybe this is payback for the Thrall-coming-home quest?”
Couldn’t agree more.
# 30 June 2008 at 6:08 pm
Thundarius said:
ChaosHaven – “Guess the forums on WoW will freak out when someone sees this and posts it”
I posted a thread on the WoW WotLK forum titled ‘Mauradin Lives!!’. It was deleted within 10 minutes. Blizzard cover up!
# 30 June 2008 at 6:45 pm
Alexoid said:
I recently played this WC3 mission – and, Muradin WAS NOT killed here, Arthas merely shoves him away so the poor dwarf got hit on the head. Nothing retconned here, people, move along :)
# 30 June 2008 at 7:55 pm
Niteboi said:
No horde lore? lol ner’zhul, lol forsaken
# 30 June 2008 at 9:16 pm
Jien said:
pfft noone cares about Ner’zhul anymore. its all about arthas :P. forsaken doesnt have any special lore except that they wanna take some stupid revenge. and about thrall-coming home its a past lore that the outcome of it was allready known. it wouldnt effect future events in warcraft like the fact that Muradin is acttualy alive when till now everybody thought that Arthas killed him. in old hillsbrad you just doing quest wich allready happened in short. (Btw if there’s a payback it would be the culling of Stratholme quest. since Jaina Uther and Arthas participate in this I think this is more then enough “payback” for the lame rescue thrall quest)…
# 1 July 2008 at 2:44 am
vince said:
Why does arthas have such a big head
# 1 July 2008 at 12:48 pm
Envojus said:
Ok,i have a question :
ARE YOU PEOPLE BLIND?HES TRANSPERANT,HES A FREAKING GHOST!
/nuff said.
# 1 July 2008 at 1:52 pm
Jien said:
wooot the dude’s right. didnt notice :D thanks for the enlightment. this is making alot more sense now :)
# 1 July 2008 at 3:04 pm
WoTLK King said:
Hmm, then if that’s the case… *in a haunting voice* The only way to let his spirit rest, is to kill Arthas…
# 1 July 2008 at 5:34 pm
Ragefire said:
it is not a ghost, its like a orb that recorded events from the past or something of this sort. (last pic) And it says “Muradin lives!” So for those who are trying to prove us wrong, (unless this is just a rumor which is hard to fake since it is very well done) all facts are in pics. All that is unknown right now is where Muradin is? A prisoner of the scourge or someone else’s? Lost in the mountains? Or among the Iron dwarfs? I don’t know myself, but we shall see! :D
# 1 July 2008 at 5:43 pm
Nef said:
Mauradin lives, BY MY MOTHER MANTABLE!
serious retcon action going on, arthas even sent the body back to IF aparently maybe they will pretend that the dwarves were drunk and accidently sent one of the other dead dwarves lying around the cavern instead. Awesome news but QQable retcon.
Send the body back? How on earth did he do that considering he burned all their boats? And even in WC3, he just left Muradin there and moved on.
# 3 July 2008 at 2:36 am
Silmarien said:
The Muradin in the last picture is NOT a ghost. Notice how Arthas is also transparent in some of the pics…! As mentioned above, the scenes shown in the screenshots are likely to only be images of what happened in the cave years ago, and we get to witness but not interfere with it in WotLK. I’m not saying this is all true, but it’s a good assumtion.
Now in the last picture where Muradin has amnesia, we don’t know if that took place moments after Arthas left the cave with Frostmourne or if it happened in a more recent time. I’m sure we’ll know once more of the quest has been revealed.
# 3 July 2008 at 3:15 am
Wiklundare said:
They could have done a better job on Muradins modell, tbh. :/
# 5 July 2008 at 4:59 pm
Naasuk said:
Arthas didn’t sacrafice Muradin for the blade. When Frostmounre broke out of the ice, The ice impaled Muradin
# 6 July 2008 at 9:53 am
Robotix said:
I just watched the scene. There was no “impaling” going on.
A large piece of the ice Frostmourne was encased in smacked him over the head.
When Arthas said he was dead, he probably didn’t really give a damn either way. He just wanted to get on with his revenge.
Seriously! Horde are gonna QQ. I dont give a crap..
you got your turn, just like maevet said, the naaru, vws..however ashbringer goes both..So yeah hha.
But ooops.. i forgot..
“OMFG MURADIN!!!??!?! MURADIN!!! IM GOING UP TO BRONZEBEARD AND TELL HIM!!!!”
# 17 July 2008 at 6:12 am
Ilien said:
Huh? Naaru and Ashbringer Horde lore? Oh you mean the Naaru YOUR new race brought in to the WoW universe? A bunch of retcons and new lore because you get some new race, I mean the Draenei. We got the Thrall-Comes-Home questline, indeed, but that wasn’t as important to lore as this.
Not that I care much anyway.=p
# 17 July 2008 at 9:21 am
Silmarien2 said:
Silmarien is right!! Muradin LIVES!! Arthas is shown as trannsperent as well, meaning… MURADIN LIVES!!
why is there no horde? alliance can suck my balls but horde should have more stuff
# 14 August 2008 at 5:26 pm
Narag said:
Heeeee LIVES, long live the small dwarf:P
# 29 October 2008 at 3:33 am
Tommy said:
Ok You all get it wrong i done this quest and its a quest line you start it at Wintergarde Keep at Dragonblight anyway…
i won’t tell holl Chain Story gonna just skip it
When arthas Take Frotmoun It take his soul with powerfull blast a ice rock hit the little dwarf then after Arthas Yelling Aids or whatever he ran out and little dwarf Weak up without knowing who he is and where he is so he went out..if you wanna find it i guess in next patch
Look at The Storm Peaks Raid instace you find alot of dwarfs there might be just there and for rep with Sliver confit as well Next patch will show a loads of info and as Horde out there said…it’s pay back but blizzard can’t just get out of the lore so i don’t hate horde or alliance i am balanced bettwen them if you looking for a epic queest i would recommand The Way Gate Quest at sholar something or Arthas quest at wIntergarde in Dragonblight or you can go Under Icecrown cithdeal to Get a real Epic Chain quest will Lead to epic battles wIth Lich King have fun with the info and For some help with horde
You gonna start some of this chain aswell and who wanna get exaltd With Knights of ebon blade i should recommnad start a chain quest from the flyig things or whatever
sorry to make this long but this real info not some romar
and btw thats not ghost but it happen as you see the event in the past..you don’t rly see them
and with the chain under Icecrown chideal you get to a part when you play as arthas and start making your army by buthering your men and then next up after few quests you fight illadin Stomrage
and i never knew that little ghost kid he look like he know arthas but i don’t have alot of info about him i thing you should find out who he is
By Muradin’s beard could it be?
Muradin lives? Could it be?
It’s a miracle! …or too much Dwarven ale.
(Guess the forums on WoW will freak out when someone sees this and posts it)
Muradin doesn’t die? Will this affect the lore? Is he REALLY alive? Hmm, on top of this, Muradin doesn’t remember who he is, wait a second. They never confirmed Muradin WAS killed when the ice block hit Muradin, so this is probably real!! Muradin Bronzebeard lives!!! lol
I’ve found the sound files for this encounter within the Litch King install. They are the same files from WC3:FT, with the same names even.
What. The. FUCK.
I’ve heard of retcons, but this is fucking RIDICULOUS.
So he has been in coma for…how much years?
Or a Titan ressurected him for something…
Hooray Muradin!
Crazy!!
O
M
G.
SEND THE MESSENGER PIGEON TO IRONFORGE!
Gief Muradin!
I could see it transpire like this, if the price Arthas had to pay was instead something in himself, rather than killing Muradin. However I don’t exactly remember that passage 100%. Also I think we need to see the whole thing rather than these pictures pieced together.
Hmmm….intresting….where did this happen exactly? Caverns of time? but if its Caverns of time will there be more dungeon except the culling of stratholme? like the battle with Mel`ganis where arthas found frostmourne? where do you see that encounter in short O.o!?!
This isn’t exactly a retcon… Spider-Man much? DAMN YOU QUESADA!!
Anyway, it’s not like he’s in a coma, it looks like he woke up with amnesia right after Arthas left the Cave, I think it’s a cool idea, it’s just too bad it’s most likely going to be an Alliance only thing.
Now I want to kill him.
Oh I get it, he had to pay any price if only to save his people, that wasn’t in killing Muradin, that was to make Arthas the Lich King, and the people will soon be saved and probably have a better life being smarter and stuff and that’s saving them (as well as preparing them to fight the other enemies that they need to fight (i.e. Kil’Jaeden)
Maybe? /shrug
Hmm, and also (sorry for double post) Muradin as well as Varian Wrynn (Lost King of Stormwind) have amnesia, what’s Muradin going to turn into, because with amnesia, either you bring him with you, or he become part of the Scourge, Vrykul, or anything else. 0.0 No wonder Blizz hates leaks, ruins the surprise, o well lol.
according to WC3 Arthas sacrefised Muradin so that he may take frostmourne. the fact that the power rends the soul of the user is just a side effect of using the sword. somehow Muradin survived with amnesia. we dont know why, we may know why later on that quest… and to be honest Arthas didnt save any of he’s people. when he became Deathknight he just helped to butcher them. starting with he’s own father and king of he’s “beloved” people. I dont think he made them smarter and read to Kil’Jeaden :\. Though if blizzard wont let horde participate in Muradin quest ill be very disapointed. this is vital lore point to warcraft and all that’ll be in the future. Since horde doesnt really have any lore in Northerend (not a very importent one like that anyway) it will be so unfair.
Where’s the forum post for this?
“Though if blizzard wont let horde participate in Muradin quest ill be very disapointed. this is vital lore point to warcraft and all that’ll be in the future. Since horde doesnt really have any lore in Northerend (not a very importent one like that anyway) it will be so unfair.”
Maybe this is payback for the Thrall-coming-home quest?
“Maybe this is payback for the Thrall-coming-home quest?”
Couldn’t agree more.
ChaosHaven – “Guess the forums on WoW will freak out when someone sees this and posts it”
I posted a thread on the WoW WotLK forum titled ‘Mauradin Lives!!’. It was deleted within 10 minutes. Blizzard cover up!
I recently played this WC3 mission – and, Muradin WAS NOT killed here, Arthas merely shoves him away so the poor dwarf got hit on the head. Nothing retconned here, people, move along :)
No horde lore? lol ner’zhul, lol forsaken
pfft noone cares about Ner’zhul anymore. its all about arthas :P. forsaken doesnt have any special lore except that they wanna take some stupid revenge. and about thrall-coming home its a past lore that the outcome of it was allready known. it wouldnt effect future events in warcraft like the fact that Muradin is acttualy alive when till now everybody thought that Arthas killed him. in old hillsbrad you just doing quest wich allready happened in short. (Btw if there’s a payback it would be the culling of Stratholme quest. since Jaina Uther and Arthas participate in this I think this is more then enough “payback” for the lame rescue thrall quest)…
Why does arthas have such a big head
Ok,i have a question :
ARE YOU PEOPLE BLIND?HES TRANSPERANT,HES A FREAKING GHOST!
/nuff said.
wooot the dude’s right. didnt notice :D thanks for the enlightment. this is making alot more sense now :)
Hmm, then if that’s the case… *in a haunting voice* The only way to let his spirit rest, is to kill Arthas…
it is not a ghost, its like a orb that recorded events from the past or something of this sort. (last pic) And it says “Muradin lives!” So for those who are trying to prove us wrong, (unless this is just a rumor which is hard to fake since it is very well done) all facts are in pics. All that is unknown right now is where Muradin is? A prisoner of the scourge or someone else’s? Lost in the mountains? Or among the Iron dwarfs? I don’t know myself, but we shall see! :D
Mauradin lives, BY MY MOTHER MANTABLE!
serious retcon action going on, arthas even sent the body back to IF aparently maybe they will pretend that the dwarves were drunk and accidently sent one of the other dead dwarves lying around the cavern instead. Awesome news but QQable retcon.
Send the body back? How on earth did he do that considering he burned all their boats? And even in WC3, he just left Muradin there and moved on.
The Muradin in the last picture is NOT a ghost. Notice how Arthas is also transparent in some of the pics…! As mentioned above, the scenes shown in the screenshots are likely to only be images of what happened in the cave years ago, and we get to witness but not interfere with it in WotLK. I’m not saying this is all true, but it’s a good assumtion.
Now in the last picture where Muradin has amnesia, we don’t know if that took place moments after Arthas left the cave with Frostmourne or if it happened in a more recent time. I’m sure we’ll know once more of the quest has been revealed.
They could have done a better job on Muradins modell, tbh. :/
Arthas didn’t sacrafice Muradin for the blade. When Frostmounre broke out of the ice, The ice impaled Muradin
I just watched the scene. There was no “impaling” going on.
A large piece of the ice Frostmourne was encased in smacked him over the head.
When Arthas said he was dead, he probably didn’t really give a damn either way. He just wanted to get on with his revenge.
possibly payback for a large chunk of lore that only horde are directly privy to, concerning the Naaru, void walkers, and Ashbringer connections.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Ashbringer
Seriously! Horde are gonna QQ. I dont give a crap..
you got your turn, just like maevet said, the naaru, vws..however ashbringer goes both..So yeah hha.
But ooops.. i forgot..
“OMFG MURADIN!!!??!?! MURADIN!!! IM GOING UP TO BRONZEBEARD AND TELL HIM!!!!”
Huh? Naaru and Ashbringer Horde lore? Oh you mean the Naaru YOUR new race brought in to the WoW universe? A bunch of retcons and new lore because you get some new race, I mean the Draenei. We got the Thrall-Comes-Home questline, indeed, but that wasn’t as important to lore as this.
Not that I care much anyway.=p
Silmarien is right!! Muradin LIVES!! Arthas is shown as trannsperent as well, meaning… MURADIN LIVES!!
Ashbringer blade is made from a darkened Naaru.
The crystal of Ashbringer: http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Ashbringer_crystal.jpg
The dark fragment of M’uru: http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Muru_spark.JPG
Get it now? The Ashbringer blade is a pure blade of Light, made from a fragment of darkened Naaru itself. Nuff said.
THAT IS AWSOME I THOUGHT HE WAS DEAD :D
FTW????
why is there no horde? alliance can suck my balls but horde should have more stuff
Heeeee LIVES, long live the small dwarf:P
Ok You all get it wrong i done this quest and its a quest line you start it at Wintergarde Keep at Dragonblight anyway…
i won’t tell holl Chain Story gonna just skip it
When arthas Take Frotmoun It take his soul with powerfull blast a ice rock hit the little dwarf then after Arthas Yelling Aids or whatever he ran out and little dwarf Weak up without knowing who he is and where he is so he went out..if you wanna find it i guess in next patch
Look at The Storm Peaks Raid instace you find alot of dwarfs there might be just there and for rep with Sliver confit as well Next patch will show a loads of info and as Horde out there said…it’s pay back but blizzard can’t just get out of the lore so i don’t hate horde or alliance i am balanced bettwen them if you looking for a epic queest i would recommand The Way Gate Quest at sholar something or Arthas quest at wIntergarde in Dragonblight or you can go Under Icecrown cithdeal to Get a real Epic Chain quest will Lead to epic battles wIth Lich King have fun with the info and For some help with horde
You gonna start some of this chain aswell and who wanna get exaltd With Knights of ebon blade i should recommnad start a chain quest from the flyig things or whatever
sorry to make this long but this real info not some romar
and btw thats not ghost but it happen as you see the event in the past..you don’t rly see them
and with the chain under Icecrown chideal you get to a part when you play as arthas and start making your army by buthering your men and then next up after few quests you fight illadin Stomrage
and i never knew that little ghost kid he look like he know arthas but i don’t have alot of info about him i thing you should find out who he is
He is Now KING OF THE FROSTBORN!!!
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