3.1 Death Knight Changes
For the past two or three days Eyonix, and lead developer, has been posting a three part series in the official forums outlining upcoming 3.1 class changes. Finally this morning the third part was released and along with it came the DK news.
EyonixWe are planning a lot of exciting content for patch 3.1.0, and we are doing a three-part preview series on upcoming class changes. This is the third in the series: Mages, Paladins, Hunters, and Death Knights. Please keep in mind, that this list is not at all comprehensive, and subject to change.
DEATH KNIGHT
- Gargoyle and Unholy Blight have swapped talent positions. Gargoyle’s damage has increased and runic power cost per time has decreased.
- Pestilence – this spell no longer causes damage but just spreads diseases. Blood Boil is intended to be the general area attack, and has been changed to be castable on targets with no diseases on them, but does extra damage if diseases are present.
- Unbreakable Armor now absorbs a flat amount of damage that increases as your armor increases. It no longer boosts armor.
- The Frost tree has been shuffled. Among other things, PvP talents such as Endless Winter are closer to the top of the tree where Blood and Unholy death knights can access them.
- Sudden Doom – this talent now procs a Death Coil rather than requiring an additional button click. It works similarly to shamans’ Lightning Overload.
- Magic Suppression and Blood of the North have been reduced to 3 ranks for the same benefit.
- Blood Gorged now grants armor penetration instead of expertise.
If you are interested in the other class changes you can see them below:
Part 1: Priest, Rogue, Shaman
Part2: Warlock, Druid, Warrior
Part3: Mage, Paladin, Hunter
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Finally a rebuff to gargoyle, if they just did that in the first place they wouldnt have to worry about it now. But i guess thats just how things are :/
?Magic Suppression and Blood of the North have been reduced to 3 ranks for the same benefit.
Nice change..
?Blood Gorged now grants armor penetration instead of expertise.
Where’d I put those gems at?
The question is why would blizz want to kill the dual wield spec. If that is the case then what they should do is get rid of DW for DK and put a new talent in the place of Nerves of Cold Steel. With that said, I wonder how much armor pen they are talking about that would matter lots in order to make blood dps alot better than what is. The way its going it seems every DK and their mama is gonna be UH which is most upsetting to have everyone as the same spec for dps.
R.I.P old friend,
R.i.p dualwield
R.i.p Deathknight
xD
Welcome my Rusty old [Collosal Skull-clad Cleaver]
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{Thats wut they mean, and i do mean it too}
If you guys think DW is done with and nerfed because of gargoyle then you guys are retards
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Death Knight (Skills List / Talent + Glyph Calc.)
Diseaseless talent builds
We’re okay with ignoring diseases on very easy targets but you should never feel like you can build a valid spec or rotation around ignoring Icy Touch or Plague Strike. Some of the 3.1 changes should support this a bit more.
it doesnt show here but several nerfs have been done to dw. the loss of gargoyal is bad for our boss dps, but ub does give us better aoe dps. a change made to the frost tree is that howling blast is now a 51 point talent, so we lose our major heavy hit attack. blood caked blades is now on a 3 sec cooldown witch defeats its purpose in dw, a 2h wep will serve better ass bcb cooldown will be done by the next swing, necrosis now only affects ur main hand attacks, also defeating its purpsoe in dw as it increases its ability to scale with 2h. if all the changes they plan on makeing come to pass, they will effectivly destroy death knight dual weilding
In my opinion this patch is going to destroy the DK… I’m tired or other classes crying and complaining about DK’s we keep up to DPS with hunters and mages. Its not like we do that much more DPS. Everyone just wants to be on top of the DMG meter so they cry until their class is up there again. Dk’s will no longer have the Hero Class name. Its now the noob class. I’m honestly pissed about this because I’ve put a ton of time gearing out my DK for duel wield spec and now will have to spend more time in this retarted game to regear some items. But if the nerf is bad enough i’m going to either quit playing the DK or quit wow in general. I’m tired of blizzard F’ing up every class and hense making you work for things all over again so they can take your money for another series of months.
Well… I’ll just express my opinion here, I hope none will be offended by my words :P
Indeed, DW needed a nerf. HB was so awesome for being in that tier. The 0/31/40 build was one of the best dps spec… AoE wise I was pwning every single mage or hunter. I was kinda happy to see myself topping the dmg charts, but it was simply easy to achieve that using that build. That’s why I’m stating HB needed a nerf.
After seeing the upcoming changes in patch I went mad in some way, but I was expecting it. If this nerf surprised you, you really need to think about the other classes, even if we are ment to be a “hero-class” it was way too much.
I kinda agree DW for dpsing will be dead in 3.1 but you got other ways to do dps… It’s not the time to QQ and state “I’m pissed with Blizzard. I quit”
I rerolled 2h (diseaseless) when I saw the upcoming patch inc (and yes, I had imba 1h-weapons already) And I really want to see the 3.1 live asap. I heard the nerf to diseaseless builds is also high, but having a look at the talent tree I don’t see it as a big nerf (at least not as much as DW)
Everyone should have expected this nerf. Blizzard is a marketing giant and they play their cards like any smart person would. They made the death knight pretty over powered to make people want to roll a death knight. Not only do you need to purchase the expansion, but you also end up investing the time in leveling him.
I have been against blizzard creating a “hero class” category since launch. For pvp to be balanced you simply cannot have (what I consider) a reward class. I have a death knight myself and they are simply too over powered. I’m glad to see this nerf and I hope it starts giving people incentive to play other classes. I am, however, sad to see the dual wield spec taking the biggest nerf. Blizzard should have just taken the dual wield ability away because its useless now.
On a final note, everyone read Gott’s post. Haha if this game really makes you that angry I feel sorry for you. It is unfortunate, but every class gets a good nerf every once in a while. Don’t cry about it, try and find another way of achieving your dps through other builds.
Ok, I have read all the complaints and praises, and now would like to add my take on this whole DK DW thing.
First off, yes I am a Duel Wield DK, my spec is 0 / 33 / 38 Unholy. My DPS is great, I have almost all Epic T-7 Gear or higher except 4 blues (best Non-Epics). I am usually 3rd on the DMG Meter as far as DPS. I know it would of gotten better with the blues being replaced with epics.
I will say that they are nerfing DK’s and they really need to look at Rogues, Warlocks and Mages. Its sad that we as DK’s have no defense where we can dispell a disease, or resist a spell. A warlock and actually DOT you so many times and kill you before you are unfeared, DK’s have no defense for that, mages are OP’d as well, rogues should be nerfed as far as putting cooldowns on alot of there actions like DK’s, either remove cool downs on DK’s.
All in all, yes, DK’s have plate, but when you get crit from a mage in BG’s for 11k, crit damage, i see a issue with that. My DK has only crit for around 8900.
Blizzard, made such a big deal on the “Hero Class” Death Knight, only to Nerf it. What is wrong with that picture? They, Blizzard, should not create a class and then Nerf it, that is poor planning on there part.
Tim
I have to say, I can understand some of the changes being made, but the ones that directly effect DWing specs so deeply really cut me to the quick. Sure, some of you say ” all you need to do is to switch a little gear “, well as someone that doesn’t live on a computer playing WoW 40hrs+ a week, it isn’t all that easy.
I just got to the point where my DWing DK was just starting to make a decent impact in dps for raiding and pvp. Now I have to work thru another 8 to 12 weeks of raiding just to replace all the gear I’ve acquired that was specifically picked to build on my DWing spec to switch to a 2 hander. Not to mention the cost of enchants, enhancements and gems.
The HB nerf is rediculous, lower the cost and output if they feel its too much. Its so much a part of any DW spec, to move it to 45+ talent pts. for acquisition makes it worthless as it now stands. You lose too much from your other talent trees to make DWing of any kind a viable DPS alternative.
If indeed Blizzard decides to go thru with these changes I’d strongly suggest the possibility of allowing DK’s a 1 time opportunity to trade in their gear ( 1 handers and massive amounts of + hit rating gear ) for gear that will allow them to flourish with the 2 handers being forced upon us.
Personally, I’m beginning to grow tired of WoW and was hoping 3.1 would give me something to look forward to. Now I really don’t know what I want to do. I won’t go into pointless threats about closing my 3 accounts in outrage because that’ll do me about as much good as trying to smell a fart standing in a tornado. I wonder how long it will take for all these DK’s leaving the class to level their feral druid, ret paladin or mage to level 80? Who will be the next flavor of the month to feel the wrath of the nerf bat ?
First, many of the death knights who read this are not going to like this at all but it needs to be said.
Death Knights are terribly overpowered.
You all know it but you don’t want to admit it. With this nerf (if you can even call it that, it’s so minor) begins your downward spiral as blizzard nerfs the shit out of your broken class. If you think this nerf is bad, wait till reports still come in after this nerf that DK’s still dominate PVP and PVE. One person cried that his DK was hitting 8.9K when a mage was hitting 11K. By the time blizzard is done nerfing you, you won’t hit 5K. They’ve done it before and they’ll do it again. Reroll another class assholes, and stop taking advantage of a clearly unbalanced class not meant for this game.
Well. Now I have read all of the posts, and I must say people are crying to much over this nerf on DK’s.
To those who say DK’s are totally overpowered, you really dont kow what you are talking about, learn hoe to play your char right. I will not say anyone in the game is overpowered, a DK is a little overpowered, with some of the talents, but not what goes with dps, tanking (and I don’t) play PvP, but I have a really hard time to take out a mage, pala or warrior, and I am not bad that bad geared.
I tank, and we have a druid and warrior tanking also. I am only gonna se it from my point of view of the tanking.
As a DK I dont have block, but I got some more amor (which is over now) than the warrior and druid. I could make a good and nice dps while tanking, on serveral mobs, not single target, then I am about 1300 dps, just like the others. With the DK’s loosing the xtra armor for Frost Presence is bad, we are gonna take a direct hit, with having a chance to block or get the xtra armor like the druid. I have never done the DW with my DK, because many of the attacks depends on the weapon, as you do xtra damage of your weapons damage. 2-handed does the best dps imo, also while tanking.
I think it is okay the DK’s try a little nerf down. But I dont think it is that bad down hill. This is the release day of patch 3.1.0 so I cant say if it is good or bad, I havn’t tried to play the PTR. But take a look at the talents. I think if you put them together right, you do top the dps meter. With the dual spec comming I will try dps spec and tank/dps spec. They almost look alike, like the way I would put it, because you dont get that much from the Frost tree, I have tried fully frost spec, and then my tank/dps spec, and our healers didn’t get more work to do, and my dps in a naxx run was sometimes over 1K dps higher, sometimes a little udner 1K. So way not get the xtra dps, as you dont get hit that much more. Just my opinion.
Still a fully blood spec and some in unholy, I think could do a lot of dps on single target, but let’s see, think I am gonna try some spec’s to find out the best dps spec, but still I will always use a tanking spec that does a nice dps too. I with the nerf of DK’s, I dont think it is impossible, already got a few spec’s I can try, but I need to wait until the server get’s up and running after patch release.
You can check my char and spec (whatever you want, thoug I am not the best player in game, but I use a lot of time on my spec, so it does the maximum dps while I tank without problems. My char name is Blish and the realm is Boulderfist, guild is The Dobs.
It was nice to read all the different sides of how people think about the DK’s, I’ve have thought of some new things with your help.
GG all, and have fun instead of not having fun, Blizzard is not gonna nerf DK’s under all other chars, DK’s will still be hero class, and a great char to play. But yes we can agree that some of the things they are removing from our DK’s is bad for us, but we are still getting some other things the is improved, just go and take a look at the talents, I can see some good improvements there, but also see some bad. But play game, and give feedback to blizzard if you can’ play your char, I am sure that some DK’s will still top the dps meter, you just need the right rotation and talent build :D
Cya in game :D
Well first of all if they didnt change stuff to get people to tweak and respec their class, they game would just get boring as hell! ..I for one enjoy when blizz changes things and makes me work to TWEAK my class for the new changes to gain better DPS.
just my $.02
Guys, we were OP. Nerf has happened either learn to play a new class or work in with our current class. I did uludar for the first time, since i had an operation. I had missed out on alot of gear yet i still came 3rd on dps pulling over 4.5k constant dps on Ingnis.
There is nothing wrong with the dps we do now and DW was OP. It was like giving a survival hunter Beastial wrath and exotic pets… Of course they are going to nerf you!
About QQ about gearing your toon, naxx was a joke in like 2 weeks you are in BIS items. It is not like you got all the way to BT/Sunwell and they screwed you over.
L2P imo
Just to let you know, we downed Ignis the other night i came 3rd on the DPS meters Rogue was number one, Enh Shaman number two and myself 3rd we were the only 3 ppl to break 5k dps.
So clearly we have not been nerfed as i am using only naxx gear and doing the same dps as people with ulduar gear.
what build are using to get 5k in Ulduar, GJ btw
then you have shitty hunters
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